If he can dance with grandmaster Luke, he can take out Palpatine. He isn't as powerful as ROTS Sidious, he isn't as skilled as ROTS Sidious, and he has no speed feats that put him on the same level as ROTS Sidious. His search for the Sith led him first to the planet Ashas Ree, where he rediscovered the original Sith holocron: that of King Adas, which had been lost several hundred years earlier by a Sith Lord named Garu. Neutral ground being anything other than a galaxy that's scales haven't had it's balance tipped to the darkside. Trocity. You didn't pick a particularly good time to say that, lol. Someone asked him who was more powerful between Nihilus and Sidious, and his answer was that Nihilus "looks cooler, so he's gotta be more powerful". Nadd traveled to the area of space where the Sith Empire had once ruled. Krayt during Fate of the Jedi and Beyond would. It is also worth noting that the ancient Sith said that Exar would be the one to bring about the Golden Age of the Sith and said that he was the Dark Lord of the Sith, over Ulic Qel-Droma. Kun doesn't have any amulets or anything just his personal command of the force. Sidious vs Exar Kun. Overall in a fight I’d give this one to Palpatine, although I think it would be close. lol Kun isn't better than ROTS Sidious. 'Objectively' speaking Ulic has demonstrated a level of skill that's on par, or likely exceeds anything of the aforementioned characters. Krayt during or before that time isn't going to win. Palpatine is canonically the most powerful force user who has ever lived by the time of Episode III, so this is a Palpatine victory. Darth Sidious-only bested by Luke channeling the power of him Leia and Anakin Solo. Toying with him! He is the ultimate "anything you can do, I can do better" regardless of what history said Kun and Kraty can do. Exar Kun was also able to destroy the entire Massassasi race with a Sith ritual that he initiated very fast, quite a feat. So which one of your frieds is this? And now that Freedon is back, we have another troll to deal with. Kun is arguably more skilled just because he has more technique but his is too focused on jack of all trades Niman whereas Niman like Kraytt's is deadly to Palps because of the sheer skill and raw force power Krayyt displays(I use Kraytt as my example of a sith or force user who can kill Palps because I believe he outright can in a duel or force struggle). Exar Kun is an ancient human Sith who was a major antagonist in the Star Wars Legends timeline.. Exar Kuns role as Dark Lord of the Sith makes matters far much worse on directly following dark side points every step of the way, becoming almost on the level of Palpatine's threat among the Republic and the Jedi. @gunsout: Nah, Tenebrous isn't there. I've only ever seen people reference the Revan novel, which he effectively did nothing to promote such acclaim. So I'm a bit of a saber nerd blah blah blah nerd stuff. However, Krayt during 30 years after ROTJ is going to wreck house on Palpatine. If he can dance with grandmaster Luke, he can take out Palpatine. I probably know more than any of these fanboys could about Kun and despite promoting him above Vader tier, I know for a fact he is certainly not winning any kind of battle against Sidious/Valkorion. Krayt during or before that time isn't going to win. In terms of lightsaber skills, Palpatine was able to compete with both Yoda and Windu, and his clone beat Luke in a duel on Byss, although later was defeated. This is ROTS Sidious, and prime Exar Kun. I think that Palpatine has the advantage here, but that Exar Kun is not a push over. Yours is a pretty obvious fake too, lol. I've read all the evidence, its all based on their times and eras as the strongest and not regarded as on par with Palpatine, or even near his level. This is a place for fans of Star Wars Legends (otherwise known as the Expanded Universe) to come together and discuss the rich lore and history they love, without mentioning the Story Group Canon apart from in certain cases (see rule 1). At best it means in actual combative skill, Maul is deadlier. However, Krayt during 30 years after ROTJ is going to wreck house on Palpatine. Kun is also exceptionally skilled with a lightsaber. Or maybe it is you yourself, wouldn't be surpised given your lack of any regard for anything or anybody else. Over the coming years, Kun's spirit would continue to be bound to Yavin 4, slumbering restlessly. Think about it, 2 lightsabers, 12 Padawans/Knights, 2 Jedi Masters (including one of the most powerful Jedi ever; Luke and the old version of Yoda, Vodo-Siosk Baas, he had trained a lot of Jedi), to kill off Kun's 4000 year old ionized air particles! Before being arrested by Vader and Imperial Forces, Organa uploads the plans of the Death Star superweapon being constructed in s… Palpatine lights both of them up at the same time. His Force sense was also powerful enough to know his apprentice Ulic Qel-Droma was endangered from half the galaxy away. not just leave a charred husk(bones). Now, in NJO when he puts Luke into a coma, that was as a Force Ghost. He also was able to freeze the entire Senate (which had Jedi that were in the building) with one spell(a combative quick spell) and then rescue his apprentice and kill an extremely powerful Jedi Master and nobody could do a thing about it. Kun is better than people like Darths Vader and Tyranus, but he isn't Sidious level. He was also able to hide as a Sith in the middle of the Jedi Stronghold (Ossus) and recruit Jedi to become Sith, without the Jedi even knowing what he was doing, that's got to take some pretty impressive power. Also, he invented his own lightsaber, Exar was the person who invented his unique double bladed lightsaber. He drained their life-force and used it to prolong his life. Krayt has the training of a Jedi, of a Sith and of a Yuuzhan Vong. It would be an epic showdown, but I believe Clone Wars Yoda beats Sith Lord Exar Kun by a slim margin. During one period of intense Force activity on the moon in 3638 BBY, the former Dark Lord's spirit manifested as a ghost in the jungles east of the Temple of Sacrifice. He learned or was blessed by three separate Sith Lords (though XoXaan was technically a Dark Jedi). Could he have done that back when he was alive? To defeat Dark Empire Sidious it took Luke only Leia and Anakin Solo; to defeat a "weakened" form of Exar Kun, it took Luke, his entire Jedi Academy, and Vodo-Siosk Baas's spirit. >Krayt during Legacy: War, his stated prime, would get destroyed by Palpatine and lose to him even with Kun at his side. Palps is deadly because he knows enough to get by and covers up how sloppy he is with sheer speed, his speed is what caught the other masters off guard compared to Windu. @darthant66: You stop dragging mr into your patheticobsession with abusing other users. Please point out where I said they didn't. A'Sharad Hett also managed to throw with lightning killing some rakghouls, he even managed to kill his Yuuzhan Vong torturers, an impressive feat, given the fact that the Yuuzhan Vong are immune to most Force attacks. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the TheJediPraxeum community. He deceived the best Jedi in the order, took Sith stuff and recruited new allies from the midst of the Jedi ranks, lied to the Jedi Masters, and they couldn't even tell it was going on! Force wise yes; but Kun doesn't normally do speed, he's been caught of guard by sheer speed a few times, Palps is INSANELY fast. Also, this planet (and its sun) were later blown up by Kun so anybody after him would have no knowledge of those things that Exar knew. I might've done that myself, but we already have canonical sourcebooks giving us the answer. Exar died sure, but he was able to hold the entire fleet off with the Force until he was able to figure out a plan to keep himself alive. That defeat had nothing to do with his sorcery and everything to do with kuns raw power in the force. @deranged_midget: Well, with all the recent material, he's basically second only to Palpatine. Dort wurde er von den Massassi überfallen, was seinen Verdacht bestätigte. Sids puts up a good fight though. This is is the heart of the Jedi Order! Palpetine vs Exar Kun and Darth Krayt. The places people will reach to when they try to downplay other characters. He's possibly the most underrated SW character ever. Now team up the third strongest Sith Exar Kun with Darth Krayt-Palpatine's equal(that difference mentioned isn't that big, and BTW, Krayt>Sidious with a lightsaber) and Sidious is fried. Nur einer der mitgereisten Jedi war skeptisch gegenüber Exar Kun: Oss Willum vermutete, dass Kun in Wahrheit andere Motive hatte und erklärte, zurück zum Schiff zu gehen. It would not be the last time that Kun's spirit woul… Kun was able to literally KILL Jedi masters without even needing a saber. In terms of force abilities Exar Kun was powerful, shown when in his spirit form when he killed Gantoris in an instant, aswell as when he created creatures using sith alchemy. And welcome to the Jedi Praxeum! I’d give power in the force to Palpatine, but Exar Kun is still very powerful in the force. That is fascinating to you because that isn't what I said :\ lol. If a force duel erupts I can see Kun winning, but not if Palps whips out his saber, and Kun is too prideful to NOT try to kill Palps with his saber. Canonically hindering his natural enemies efficiency to use the Force. Kun was able to walk into the heart of the Republic Senate, freeze them all, kill their leader and a Jedi Master, and walk out, nobody could do a thing. If Count Dooku fought Exar Kun in a contest of only lightsabers, who would come out on top? It just amazes me how far people will go to try and prove their favorite Sith > Sidious. How is Palpetine going to survive Krayt AND Kun? KMC Forums > Star Wars > Star Wars: Literature & Expanded Universe > Star Wars Versus Forum > Sidious vs Exar Kun. Interesting. Hello! Palpatine should be a higher tier than both, capable of handling them. Exar did invent his own style of lightsaber combat, the double bladed, also, his double blade was different than any other double blades. Maybe I'll reply to you and London. Exar would wipe the korriban floor with palpatines ass. Saying that, I think Yoda is perfect for countering Kun. >Krayt during Apocalypse would wreck Palpatine's shit. He was able to repel all of them long enough to preserve his spirit for thousands of years. Lol as if his opinion means anything whatsoever. Exar Kun wins in sabers, but Palps still wins 10/10 times. Exar Kun used a double bladed saber and beat his master Vodo-Siosk Baas in a duel. He also being resisted to be cut off from the Force by the Grand Jedi Master Odan-Urr. The first Maul quote is a potentially IU, the verdict is still out, and also entirely liable quote that doesn't mean Maul is more powerful. On top of that I think a lot of people forget that Exar was so powerful that the ghost of Marka Ragnos was inadvertently summoned from beyond the grave, and gave him his personal blessing as the Dark Lord. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Palpatine as of the prequel trilogy era would likely lose to Exar Kun - after all, Exar Kun used a single Sith spell to paralyze the entire galactic senate (and murdering the Chancellor), while Palpatine had to use his manipulative skills and political connections to strong-arm the senate into complying with his demands. Naga Shadow, Exar Kun, and Palpatine are placed in similar levels based on Sith Alchemy: The most powerful Sith Lords possess a talent for the dark alchemy of the Sith. @thevivas: It's usually the desperate fanatics who actually ask the authors. Prior to that? By ignoring the Exar Kun wank, I can see that the team is powerful enough to beat or at least stalemate with Sheev, and of course I am taking this as a perfect team work. Exar Kun was beyond his dueling skills most infamous for being able to attack someone or multiple persons with a blast of pure dark side energy, an energy that even the likes of Darth Bane had no defense against at all and he flopped around like a fish out of water when a dark side tendril severed his arm. Kun's dueling skills are also valid here, as his form relied on Force prowess to be used, he was the most powerful and skilled Niman user on record, taking it to its highest form, he mastered it to such a degree that he could easily use the Force to randomly turn one or both blades on and off mid-combat with no manual button, he could also do the same thing and change the length of each blade as he saw fit, as he gained esoteric levels of power in the dark side he threw any type of moderation or balance out of his lightsaber style and incorporated highly proficient levels of Juyo and Ataru(in the form of Force flight), this was so powerful that masters of Djem-So Vodo Siosk Baas and Ulic Qel-Droma had to stay on the defensive and in one case was totally overpowered and killed(Baas). While I understand people think Palps is skilled, look back at EP3 and notice how much he simply FLAILS around against Yoda and Windu. When Kun walked, the ground shook underneath him from the sheer power of the dark side emanating from his body. In the middle of the Senate Chamber on the same planet as the Jedi Temple, he could still toy with one of the best duelists in the Jedi Order and win hands down. So I won't be entertaining yoda v kun in favor of the latter. Unless he uses a Force storm and commits suicide, which I doubt of that. Then spending 4,000 years going 'half-mad'. Palpatine has legions of fanboys, to be sure. This is a tough one, as both are my two favorite Sith Lords of all time. Kun is reaching new heights of "power" and "skill" on the boards. @londonbfr: Honestly I am just speaking objectively. He was able to move it faster and aim more than with other double blades. I just can't see the team taking it. Krayt during Fate of the Jedi and Beyond would. It seems like you're taking the pre-conceived standards set by self promoted blue ribbons, or so-called 'experts' of CV, and regurgitating this dogma towards an independent thinker. Kun was put on his ass by Odan-Urr. Exar also studied alot, he was fascinated by the Sith teachings in Vodo's holocron. In terms of lightsaber skills, Palpatine was able to compete with both Yoda and Windu, and his clone beat Luke in a duel on Byss, although later was defeated. Exar Kun was an exceptional lightsaber combat master. Duo could take this, I feel like an argument could be made for palpatine winning though. Palps isn't actually THAT skilled compared to say Windu or Grand Master Luke, Yoda, Vader, Kraytt. Meanwhile Exar Kun after having his power extinguished by a wall of light summoned by the combined powers of Nomi, Thon, Cay, Sylvar and 'all the known Jedi' in an 'unprecedented' gathering. @darthant66: You stop dragging me into your personal drama. JA Kun's also undisputably not as strong as TOTJ Kun. Exar wore armor with a cortosis weave in it, allowing him to recieve hits from a lightsaber without doing him damage. Is simultaneously capable of binding the spirit of Luke Skywalker and outright possessing Kyp Durron who despite having his raw power at its full might … Kun was extremely powerful in his prime. Kun is stronger than JA Luke and comparable to Palpatine by a plethora of quotes which clearly establish a narrative. Kun was locked in an eternal stalemate with Ulic, who isn't as skilled as Maul/Tyranus/Anakin, whom Palpatine is solidly above in sabers. I think here the lightsaber skills are about equal, but as Palpatine seems to focus more on the force than dueling, I’d probably give it to Exar Kun. Naga was also a Dark Lord of the Sith from 1000 years before Exar and was Marka Ragnos apprentice and had an amazing grasp of the dark side, Exar learned it all. VS Rounds | Count Dooku vs Exar Kun - Duration: 15:07. Would it be easy? I think in Tom Veitch's mind, all the spirits live in the same place. Somebody like Vitiate. A Human male, Exar Kun was discovered as a Force-sensitive and taken in for training by the Jedi Order several millennia before the Battle of Yavin. I don't believe Palpetine can fight evenly (or win for that matter) against Yoda on neutral ground. A brief history of Exar Kun from his days as a Jedi to his ascension to Dark Lord and final defeat on Yavin 4. Exar Kun used a double bladed saber and beat his master Vodo-Siosk Baas in a duel. I never mentioned Legacy or future events. Exar Kun showed his total mastery of Force blast against Gantoris, using it via his eyes instead of his hands, totally incinerating the promising Jedi Knight, incinerating. Man this thread went to sh*t quickly. Can you guys pass that pot your smoking, please. Kun also learned loads of stuff from Ossus, which was later destroyed by him so anyone after him couldn't have learned anything from it, he also used Sith holocrons and had the private notes of Naga Sadow, another Sith who could blow up a sun with his Corsair. Exar Kun travels to Cinnagar to engage Ulic Qel-Droma, this duel ends when the apparition of Marka Ragnos commands it to. And Exar did study alot, Vodo-Siosk Baas says that Exar is the most powerful student he has ever trained and the most powerful Force user, and Vodo was similar to Yoda, he had trained a lot of Jedi over a long period of time, and if Exar was the best, that means something. The Jedi Order also sent thousands of Jedi to kill Exar. Kun and Krayt take it. He's a master of lightsaber combat as well as the Force - he defeated three of the Order's top swordsmen all at once using his saber, not lightning etc. Palpatine literally god stomps canonically. But not with sorcery etc. Something palps could do. Send me your facebook profile and I'll add you to the conversation. So I actually think this would be a lot closer than a lot of folks are willing to give credit for. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Gallery 4 Disney Canon Respect Threads 5 Legends/EU Respect Threads 6 Others 7 References Emperor Sheev Palpatine, secretly the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Sidious, was the last Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic, the first and only emperor of the Galactic Empire, and arguably the most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy's history. So much wrong with what you said though. Recognized as an extremely promising talent, Kun apprenticed under the venerable Krevaaki Jedi Master Vodo-Siosk Baas, training on the planet Dantooine alongside the Cathar mates Crado and Sylvar. As powerful as the other two were, I always saw Palpatine as the greatest of them in all regards. I never mentioned Legacy or future events. 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